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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:39:00 -
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Do you want to come and rename all my excel sheets and 3rd party programs also?
You just caused weeks worth of painless work for me and you continue to do so. Renaming the missiles was bulljunk and this just keeps going.
Stop nerfing the game. Make meta levels visible in market groups and put compare tool to neocom, but ffs stop renaming the stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:43:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:While I'm sure we all have quibbles about particular name choices, the overall goal of consistency is a laudable one, and Gnauton deserves some +1's for taking on this non-sexy but useful project.
+1 So you want to come and fix my spreadsheets too ?
Besides I got no idea what I am manufacturing any more when I do some random missiles. Before I knew exactly what I did but someone had to break it. This entire thing is bs... -1 respect to you also.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:45:00 -
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One more post just to make myself clear:
ROLL BACK THE ORIGINAL NAMES AND DO SOMETHING USEFUL
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.02.29 16:56:00 -
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Salvia Olima wrote:I believe the sole reason was that CCP Gnauton been asked what he's been done lately and he came up with the idea to dumb the game down to a disgusting level of monotonious module names, no matter how much it will take from the overall feeling of the game. It will be done, he said it.
I was outrageous even with the Trauma missile renaming (it does not sound good, as it is completely silly), not to mention the experimental/prototype wtf. Most of us who are playing from years know every module in the game by name. With this renaming plan Gnauton takes that away from us. A very bad decision - but a man wants to keep his job.
Yet it can be solved without generating more bittervets: please make an optional patch, so one who wish to play with the old names should still play with it. Killmail generating can be done with the new dumbed names. But I want my bloodclaw missiles back, and I want Catalyzed Cold-gas Thrusters back, with all the others. And you do not want another Jita siege. ^^ QFT
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.02.29 17:59:00 -
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You people just don't see the forest from all the trees.
The names are not the problem. Lack of simple methods to display the items meta level (unless in hangar) is way worse stepping stone to newbs and annoying thing to old timers too. Specially the market should have meta levels visible on item groups. Items could be even sorted by their meta level in there.
Compare tool really needs to have easier way to access. It is pretty much only tool what you can use to compare different meta level items easily.
It wouldn't harm if you enabled the meta level column in hangar by default too as most people don't even know that it is there.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.02.29 20:25:00 -
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Grey Stormshadow wrote:There is better ways to aid those who think that comparing items is currently too difficult and items are too difficult to search. Renaming is just easy way to get around doing anything too complex, which would actually require some coding.
I would:
- add shortcut button to neocom for compare tool - add some default selectable item groups to compare tool like different kind of ammo, charges and missiles for easy viewing. - add right click function "show all variations (in compare tool)" to items with multiple meta levels and variations. - add right click function "show other items of the group (in compare tool)" to (all?) items. Would show same items than in bottom level market group. For example other minmatar frigates or small projectile ammos. - add own search function and hideable item browser to compare tool. Should support also drag and drop like atm. - add filters to market to show only items related to kinetic, thermal, em or explosive (similiar than the button which u can press to "show only available") *special thanks to "Alpheias" for the original idea.
Dumping stuff down is really bad solution. Giving easier access to study and learn the complex will be much better solution in long term. Variety in item names has history and it gives so much more lifetime to the game.
Also you shouldn't forget how much people have invested time for 3rd party spreadsheets, programs and websites, which all use the standard eve item database. If you change the name from your code, hundreds are forced to do the same. Some may get this done by updating some database from standard dump, but many will do this manually. I'm sure they feel great passion towards individuals who did the name change pretty much just because it seemed like good idea, but really wasn't and if it was, it absolutely wasn't necessary and important one. There is million more important things to do than **** people off with the least obvious ones.
...And leave the names alone campaign is active - sign up
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.02.29 21:45:00 -
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Do not worry people - CCP will go ahead with this change no matter what. Casualties will be silenced and buried under the new shiny highway of new improved eve online where communication is in back burner (again).
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:47:00 -
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Start coding and stop trying to come up with easy solutions like "lets rename database here and there" to avoid implementing actual features and deny word "neocom" in content of needs updating - move on people - nothing to see here!. Total awesomeness protected by CCP in action.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.02.29 22:49:00 -
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CCP Phantom wrote:Thank you for your good, plentiful and constructive feedback so far! Be assured that we are paying attention, especially to the naming suggestions. Thanks for confirming that this thing will be force fed no matter how much resistance there is.
Send my best to Hilmar. Tell him to get ready for awesome stuff.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:17:00 -
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I wish I could rename certain CCP devs and specially their superiors. Sad part is that the forum software would probably censor most parts of them.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.02.29 23:19:00 -
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How about fixing the log instead - for example.
You could actually add some tabs to it for different damage types, drones and so on...
Too much work? Thought so.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.01 06:56:00 -
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Naa... ccp wants to focus to little things even it requires some bulldozer to get the changes done, Creating something new as primary solution is out of the question. It ties resources and would need actual commitment to refocusing.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.02 03:00:00 -
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CCP Gnauton wrote:Hi guys, (including tooltips or other UI solutions that might serve the same function better).
Thank you
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.02 03:03:00 -
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Debir Achen wrote:I think "Scourge" has a special place because it is the ammunition used by drakes, and many of us have flown one at some point or other. There's not the same passion with the Cruise launchers, as none of the battleships are bonused to a specific type of ammo. You might get a similar effect if you renamed multifrequency or antimatter.
That said, I liked the flavour text associated with each missile name, and would much prefer the combined Scourge Kinetic Heavy Missile, which keeps the naming flavour (and unique name) and still completely defines the missile. Yep - key parts of old names should remain in the new name if any renaming has to be done. Roll the old missile names back and add the damage type to them with one extra word. People will spank you much less after that (including myself .)
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.02 17:43:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Tiger's Spirit wrote:Oh no another stupid standarized name ideas. Because dump pilots we loss the sci-fi feeling for the game. It's time to change the ships to MK1/MK2/MK3/MK4 because some pilot not have brain and cant do thinking. Sorry, I don't buy into the "It was hard for me when I was a lad, so it should be hard for you now" argument. This was the same argument that was trotted out when the Skill Queue was introduced, and when Learning Skills were nuked. Complexity can be good, but needless complexity is anathema. And being forced to memorize a bunch of arbitrary meta-level word encodings is needless complexity. Each time you defend wide scale name changes you will lose more CSM votes than gain them. Bad politics.
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.02 21:10:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Each time you defend wide scale name changes you will lose more CSM votes than gain them. Bad politics. I have a track-record of saying what I think without worrying to much about the effect they might have on my re-election chances. Hopefully, this appeals to people who would prefer to support a candidate who says what he thinks, rather than what he thinks the voters want to hear. Yea you will get re-elected... you're very active in forums and keep people updated. That is the main reason why one of my accounts has usually thrown you a vote even we don't always agree about everything :)
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Grey Stormshadow
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Posted - 2012.03.02 22:36:00 -
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Trebor Daehdoow wrote:Grey Stormshadow wrote:Yea you will get re-elected... you're very active in forums and keep people updated. That is the main reason why one of my accounts has usually thrown you a vote even we don't always agree about everything :) Good. I want people to disagree with me -- having people continually tell me I'm correct is boring. I want my positions to be challenged, and if your argument is strong enough, I'll modify my position without a lot of emo. It is only by vigorous and fair debate that interested observers can get a good sense of the issues and the merits of proposed solutions. In this forum, those interested observers often have names that start with "CCP"  Naa... I'm done with this subject for now as the main argument took place yesterday and mutual agreement has been reached already. CCP had good intentions to reach perfectly good goal, but primary methods to make that happen were not the best. Now there is time out for rethinking stuff over before deciding about further actions for reaching the goals which were set.
The implant/hardwiring name changes which continue are pretty much justified even though I would like to see some additional stuff done to them also. Missiles are still a bit open case as far as I understand... hopefully those will be sorted in the end too.
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